tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC June 17, 2012 8:00am-9:00am PDT
good morning, and welcome to "this week." the battle is joined. >> thank you so much. >> only june, it feels like october. >> you can move this nation forward. >> with dueling speeches on the economy and jobs. >> if you think the president was right when he said that the private sector was fine, then he's the guy to vote for. >> the challenger's bus trip through the battleground. >> i'm going to win pennsylvania! >> as the president flexes his executive must from the rose garden. >> we're a better nation than one that expels innocent young kids. >> it's unfortunate that this sort of thing comes up 4 1/2 months before the election. >> is obama's immigration announcement a power grab?
what must each campaign do to break a dead-even race? all that this morning with the president's senior adviser david plouffe and romney campaign chair, tim pawlenty joins our powerhouse roundtable. hello, again, happy father's day to all of the dads watching. as you just heard, so much going on this week. all our guests ready to weigh in. so, let's get right to it with president obama's senior adviser david plouffe. happy father's day. let's fwin with the president's announcement that he made in the rose garden. governor romney has already criticized the announcement on friday. he said that it was political. that, if the president was serious about immigration reform
he would have gotten it done before now, what is your response? >> george, it's ironic coming from romney who said that he would veto the dream act. we tried, as we know, we tried as hard as we could to pass the dream act, congress has refused. this isn't a permanent solution. this just gives the homeland security the opportunity to enforce the law with some discretion and allow these young people who came here, many times early in that their life, who want to serve in our military, work in our businesses and studies in our colleges, for a two-year period, they can apply for a job. that's ultimately the only way to fix this for congressional action. >> but the republicans said it's an overstepping of the president's constitutional authority? senator jeff sessions, said that the president -- this is prosecut
prosecutory policy not to enforce law. the president said that he couldn't take this action on his own. take a look. >> there are enough laws on the books by congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system. but for me to simply through executive order to ignore those mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president. >> but isn't that what the president is doing now? >> it's not. george, the president was speaking that he could establish a dream act through executive order. our attorneys, the homeland security attorneys are confident that this is within our authority. to use some discretion, this builds on a series of steps that we have taken to try and make sure we're focusing on tougher border security, we're deporting criminals. people who pose a threat to our community. now, people are trying to live the american dream. so, this, again, this isn't a permanent fix. for a two-year period,
they can apply for work authorization. all of those applications will be reviewed. but we need congress to act here. there was a remarkable story this week, where members of congress, in the republican caucus, we're talking about doing nothing on the economy for the next five months because it would help mitt romney. whether it's failing on moving to put teachers back to work, this congress is just saying no, and that's one of the choices the american people have. you know, governor romney is going to choose a vice presidential candidate, but his running mate really, from a policy standpoint, is this republican agenda. it's wrong policies for this country. they want to return us back to the same policies that caused the recession. more war, more debt. an independent economist last week said that the romney congressional agenda would cause us harm in the short term economically.
>> where are the republicans calling for more war? >> well, listen, the point is, our opponent and many in congress criticized our decision to end the iraq war. i think governor romney called it a tragic mistake. so, and, by the way, you know, that also has fiscal and economic consequences. because we have to focus on rebuilding this country and that's what the president wants to do. we have to take half the money of ending the war and refocus on the economy. >> let's talk more about the economy, more signs of the stall this week, retail sales down. industrial production down. jobless claims are up. all that before today's vote in greece. how concerned is the president about that outcome and is there anything more he can do to contain that crisis? >> well, the president's spoken that no doubt that we're experiencing some headwinds from
europe. they're obviously a big destination for our exporters and our goods. this is affecting our economy. it's affecting the global economy. obviously, he's meeting with some of the world leaders down in mexico for the next couple of days and we'll continue to make the case, we have some experience in this, you know, we dealt with our financial crisis, none of the steps were easy. they were all politically hard. but stepped up and stabilize our financial system and economy. there's a lot of discussion about things like banking unions. there's no question that, you know, i think there will be progress made over the next several days. the european leaders are getting together at the end of june, and that's hopefully where we'll see more confidence and progress that they can handle this. >> governor romney said there's no way he would send american checks to stabilize the european union. would the president make the same statement? >> i think there's could be some lessons learned on how we dealt
with our crisis. again, tough steps, none of this easy. i will say something about -- you mentioned governor romney and europe. you see republicans in congress here saying, they don't want to do anything on the economy so it helps governor romney. his chief economic adviser wrote a letter in germany, that basically, went against what our government is trying to do to encourage the europeans to take action. a remarkable thing to see and really unprecedented. >> do you think he crossed the line? >> i think he did. listen, as we started this exchange, we're facing headwinds from europe. europe is doing the right things here to stabilize their situation. is important to our small businesses, our workers and overall economy. inject ourself in this. it's unbelievable. >> let's talk about health care. could see a supreme court decision as early as this week. justice ginsburg spoke friday
night. >> one of the most controversial cases remains pending. so it's likely that the sharp disagreement rate will go up next week and the week after. >> i know you and the president believe that the supreme court is uphold the president's health care law. lot of people disagree. what is your plan b, if it goes down? >> well, george, we believe it's constitutional. i'm not going to get into any contingencies. we'll be prepared for any decision the court renders. i do think that it's important to focus on what the health care law is already doing. we just saw a report this week, that now 5.5 million people between the ages of 18 to 26 are able to stay on their parents' plans. free preventive care. free mammo fwshgs rahpy for folks. so, this is making a big difference. we believe it's constitutional. i'm not going to get into what
we may or may not do after a decision. we'll be prepared in any eventuality. >> okay, david plouffe, thank you very much. >> thank you, george. as our roundtable takes their seats, take a look at a colorado focus group, it's pretty clear that neither candidate is close to closing the deal with these undecided voters. >> i don't see either one speaking out in any way that makes many levitate towards either side. there's nothing being said that i believe or buy into yet. >> i don't know if you know to trust what either side is saying or what they'll do. or, are they just saying it to get elected? and then wait and see? >> economically, things seem to be getting worse and i don't see how they're going to get better with who's in charge. >> they still haven't found what they're looking for. we'll talk about it now in our roundtable. joined as always by george will, katrina vanden heuvel, our political analyst, matthew dowd, and austan goolsbee, and former
presidential candidate and governor of minnesota, tim pawlenty. let's start with these undecided voters. we also did a poll this week on independents. on the president's economic plans. take a look at what it shows. they don't like either one. 54% unfavorable for the president's economic plan. a little bit better for governor romney, 47%. they don't know as much about his plan. we saw these dueling speeches by the candidates this week, did either candidate did you see provide the road map that these voters are looking for? >> i don't think so. 55 months after the beginning of the reagan recession of the early '80s. 55 months after it began, there were 7.5 million more jobs in this country. we're now 55 months after the beginning of this recession and there are 4 million fewer jobs than when it began. we'll come down to a four-letter word "jobs."
>> the big question, how much is president obama to blame for this? i want to bring in austan goolsbee, you heard governor romney's speech this week, the president had 3 1/2 years to get this job done and he's not gotten it done. >> a, they're the background of the economy growing, growing modestly, so that's not providing a big boost to the president. but nor is it really condemning him and the romney speech was essentially, things aren't great, therefore don't vote for the president and the president's speech was, this is a comparison and the romney plan has taken us back to where we were before. that's the debate that's going to play out. we don't know whether people wanted it to be a referendum on how the economy is doing or a comparison. >> governor pawlenty, you heard david plouffe right there, governor romney would bring us back to the policies of george
w. bush that you didn't like that increased the deficit. >> not long after the president obama said that the private sector is doing fine, which is disconnected from reality, he gives a speech in ohio which offers no new proposals. it looks to me like a shrinking presidency. so, you have a president, a majority of country says it's on the wrong track. governor romney saying, look, he had 3 1/2 years, he had a democratic congress. it didn't work. so, we have 23 million americans unemployed, underemployed or have given up looking for work. on that record, with 8.5% unemployment, the president is out of ideas. he's out of time. >> katrina, you wrote this week, that the president should be relitigating the past more. >> i think he should. when you listen to that focus group, you understand the yearning in this country for the 99%.
the fair sense for millions of americans, the system is rigged against them. they want to reclaim a government that works for average people. but i do think the president needs to make this election a choice not a referendum. polls show that americans hold accountable. he also needs to get out there, be consistent, clearer and saying, i'm fighting every day for jobs for americans. which have been held up by the roadblock inside washington. i'm not going to let mitt romney my opponent, gut the backbone of communities in this country, the hard-fighting, police, fifthers, the teachers. >> and one thing that you heard matthew dowd, the president has do less of, james carville saying, stop talking about the progress being made in the last 3 1/2 years, however tenuous it may be, because people simply don't have ears to hear it. >> i agree with james on that.
they happened in 2004 in the bush campaign. people think that you can talk up by changing the track of the country, but you become more disconnected. i agree with katrina. if this is a referendum on the president, he loses. he loses. that's a commentary of where the country thinks we are. it's also a commentary on the campaign. he has to disqualify mitt romney. if he's going to get re-elected president of the united states, he has to disqualify mitt romney in this race. that's the only way he can win. that's the mistake they have made over the last month and half, they have spent too much time talking about how great their policies are and people don't believe it. >> also in this speech, george, they talked about mitt romney's record. it was focused on what mitt romney would do as president. >> well, democrats against
herbert hoover for a generation. they'll run against george bush for another generation. neither of which is going to be the ballot. the point is that, they have to say that mitt romney somehow is dangerous in office, and how they'll do that, is by saying he wants to dismantle the welfare state. he's an extremist. but they'll have to broaden this beyond mitt romney's character. bain didn't work. >> listen, i think he's proposed $5 trillion of tax cuts, heavily aimed at high-income people. and that's going to be the premise of what makes you think that that economic policy is going to work. it didn't work when they did it before. >> he says he wants the wealthy to pay the same share they're paying today? >> i know he's saying that. but it's literally impossible.
if you look at his numbers, it's a cut of $5 trillion. abolish the state taxes, cut the top marginal rate from 35 to 25. cut the corporate rate from 35 to 25. the only loophole closings that he says that are going to pay for that, don't even remotely come up to adding up to it. that's why if you're proposing gigantic tax cuts aimed at high-income people and you're making that the premise, that's going to lead us out, then you got to once again, what happened in places where they did that? like in the united states in 2000s, it didn't work. >> if you look at the numbers, isn't austan right? >> first of all, george, a number of things. the president's message that it could be worse and it's somebody else's fault. four years into his presidency, that's not a basis to re-elect someone. we don't give out participation ribbons for being president. you actually have to do something.
of course, we got to get this economy moving again. governor romney, i was with him on the bus tour, after his tax reforms, he said that he wants upper income americans to be paying the same percentage. he's proposing to reduce spending. to historical norms. >> you talked about a shrinking presidency, what's shrinking is our economy. and it's largely because, any independent economists, we heard from moody's romney's plan would make the economic situation worse. to invest in this country at the time, to understand that joblessness is the greatest crisis this country faces is something that i think the president is beginning to step up to. when the jobs numbers came out, he said that we have to keep fighting for jobs. president obama has a jobs plan. mitt romney does not. mitt romney does not.
>> how is it working? >> it's not working so well. because you have in congress a republican party that has decided that it's going to roadblock every possible jobs plans this administration puts forward. any -- >> when you're president is nearly four years, leader of the free world, you don't get to shrink back and say -- it's somebody else's fault. >> has he saved the auto industry in his state, has he? >> that would have been saved under governor romney. >> eat's bring in george will on this. >> austan, we have a larger and larger government, financed by a smaller and smaller tax base. and the smaller and smaller tax base means we're going to tax more and more the most productive people of our nation. who are also known the job creators. >> i don't agree with that premise. >> they're paying more in income tax than the bottom 90%. >> there's a payroll tax cut in
this country. working people are paying significant amounts and have been for some time. but first, barack obama cut taxes. taxes as a share of national income are the lowest they have been in many decades. >> didn't the recession help? >> yes, but you can't at the same time, say, the government's spending has gone up, much of which is from the recession and blame that on the president, but not give him any credit for cutting people's taxes. >> 70% of demand comes from consumers. if we can get money in consumers' pockets corporate profits are at a 45-year high. tax cuts on the wealthiest who should pay their fair share, which i believe, are probably at a century, decade low. >> matthew dowd. >> i'm going to go back to those focus groups that we saw. this is the fundamental problem with both political parties. there seems to be an inherit incapability to tell the american public the truth. to tell the american public
what's ahead for us. to tell the american pub rick that we can no longer do certain things that we can do. that we can no longer have the state of government that we had and no longer have the tax policies that we have. we're having the debate on both sides of the aisle right now. where the democratic side says that bigger government can fix this problem. where the other side, let's keep cutting the taxes. when the truth is, neither one of those solutions will help. >> mitt romney is not a stand-up comedian. but romney said something very funny the other day. he said, suppose the government were in charge of cell phones. the government wouldn't had given us a clear. when it finally did, it would reward one contract to an obama contributor. the result would be a phone the size of a shoe and powered by a solar panel. the sense that we have a man in
charge who has no sense of how to make things and do things and that crony capitalism -- >> you know that i'm a friend and a fan of yours, george. that's crazy. look, the fact is, it's not the position of the obama administration or the democrats that we ought to expand government, make it bigger as a solution to the economic problem. that's not true. that's absolutely not threw. >> come on. >> look, the president has put forward a budget, that's fundamentally let's cut $4 trillion from the long-run deficit with balanced sacrifice that comes 75% from cuts and 25% from new revenue and the romney program, which is based on the ryan plan is, twice as much cuts, plus multiple trillion dollars of less revenue. those are both legitimate ways if you want to reduce the
deficit, you can pick a or you can pick b. i don't think if the american people start paying attention i don't think they're going to pick the republican way. >> until they cut the lawn, i don't believe that the lawn is going to get cut. if the democrats and the president really want to cut the budget, the budget would be cut. >> but i want to pick up on something that matthew said about shared. you know, what's happened to the idea of public/private? the chamber of commerce came out a year or so ago and supported the president's investment in infrastructure. now out's stepped back. it's pumping money to shared. the demonization of government seems to be counterproductive in terms of the possibilities of rebuilding this country and reinvesting in what has made this country strong. >> i guess that's the last word for this roundtable. we have to take a break.
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♪ they're coming to america ♪ they're coming to america >> these are young people who study in our schools. they play in our neighborhoods. they're friends with our kids. they pledge the allegiance to our flag. >> people looking to a long-term solution. not something temporary to a executive order. >> no coincidence that this policy change was announced less than five months before the election. >> talking again, young people, through no fault of their own. >> he's just in a breathtaking fashion seizing power. this is exactly what a dictator does.
>> and we're back here with our roundtable. you heard glenn beck there. this was a political grab. the president said it was the right thing to do. who's right? >> well, i support the dream act. i also, however, support the constitution, the separation of powers and all that. i think these aims should be done legislatively. >> he tried but it couldn't happen? >> that's too bad. our system is designed to be difficult to move. you don't say the constitution is fine, i give it one try and then we'll do something else. he knows that the republicans have a problem. they spent the primary season, competing to see who could build the longest, highest fence? hispanics listening to this they detected hostility. they're funny that way. and romney has a big hole to dig out of it. if he gets under 31% of the hispanics voters that mccain got, he's going to lose.
>> and governor pawlenty, romney said that he wouldn't have done it this way, but romney said that he wouldn't repeal it. >> with all due respect, president obama had a democratic congress. he promised that he would do his version of comprehensive immigration reform in his first term. he had the full run of the table and he failed to get it done. but as to this particular issue, george, in addition to that, governor romney has said, look, we need to find a reasonable solution for children who come to this country through no fault of their own. he's spoken about enforcing borders and having employment verification. as to this issue, he's expressed an openness long-term solution. he spoken, if you read the full record, finding a way for someone in this circumstance, who might serve in the military, successfully and be honorably discharged, to have an opportunity to move
towards legal status, not necessarily citizenship. he said, yesterday, i want to find a real solution, not a temporary one. >> yeah, i mean, rick perry made, you know, mitt romney made rick perry look like a dreamer. you know, i think it was an act of true leadership on the part of president. all these people -- governor romney talking politics. but i think you got to remember there was a movement behind this, the dream movement, thousands of young people in this country have fought for this step. i believe it was a brilliant political move. it reveals the intolerance of the republican party. you hear it in jeb bush, deeply worried about many things. one thing is, that the party is doomed if it doesn't reconnect with latino voters. i think the president was within his authority, the emancipation proclamation, george, at a different moment, great president, pushed beyond their limits, takes steps when congress fails to act. >> it was an act of the war power of the president during a war.
>> but i think the president, nobody disagrees that the president, it was the right thing to do. for those people it was the right thing. i don't think republicans disagree, but with the way it was done. of course it was great politics. in the midst of an election cycle where the latino vote could ultimately decide this election. anybody on the opposite side of glenn beck is going to look rational. all of those things, i think romney has put, not in a very good position, because he'll have to argue that it should have been done differently. it's a great political move. >> since lyndon johnson, democratic presidential candidates have generally lost the white vote since the lyndon johnson. barack obama lost the white vote by 12%. he's having terrible problems with what used to be the democratic base. therefore, he needs to energize the latino vote.
as never before. this is good way to do it with a good policy. >> i think it's a good policy. i think it's the right of the administration to, if they have limited enforcement budget to decide, we're going to enforce these before those. that was the root they did this. i don't think it's unconstitutional in any way. i think that the argument that the president promised comprehensive immigration reform and didn't get it done said by republicans is like the legislative version of why are you punching yourself game as a kid. they're preventing it from happening. then saying, he didn't do it. >> he had a democrat congress. >> he had a democrat congress. and he's getting filibuster in every possible way. opposed by the republican party. to say that mitt romney will not be able to wiggle out of this one. he opposed immigration. >> let governor pawlenty finish. >> governor romney has said, look, i want strong border
enforcement, i want employment verification. but on the issue of what to do with young children, who have come here through no fault of their own, he has been consistent. he has said during debates, he would be opened to the option of military service. austan, in fairness. he spoke about it recently. on this issue, he's been open to finding a permanent solution. but when you have a president who didn't do it when he could have, in those first two years, latino and hispanic voters don't want to be duped twice. they don't only care about immigration, they also care about the economy and jobs and health care and whether they can afford their kids' college tuition. they look at this economy and say, how did it work under president obama? not well. >> you would concede that mitt romney said they're doomed if they don't get the hispanic vote. what more can he do to get his numbers up? >> he has spoken consistently
and regularly about immigration issues. but he has also talked about the need of having an economy that's growing. again, this idea of hispanics and latinos only care about immigration -- it's an important issue, tone is important. so that's the only issue, a referendum up or down on that, they also care about the economy. i think he has a strong message on the economy. >> again, we heard governor jeb bush speak this past week. who knew a bush would be a heretic. he's deeply worried about the fate of his party. it will be doomed if it connect with latinos. marco rubio came out with his own version. it's not just mitt romney. it's the base of the republican party as it's currently constituted. mitt romney had to pull back. you see, a party, the twists in between, a candidate running for president whose policy was self-deportation. the movement erupting in the
country isn't going to support a party whose champion is talking about self-deportation. >> governor romney said that he would consider marco rubio's legislation, but he also said yesterday, he didn't like the president's approach. alberto gonzalez didn't like the president's approach, because it was political and temporary. >> let's pick up the jeb bush statement. here's what jeb bush also said in his interview with bloomberg. he said that ronald reagan would have, based on his record of finding accommodation, finding some degree of common ground, as would my dad, they would have a hard time if you define the republican party and i don't as having an orthodoxy that doesn't allow disagreement. >> well, let's look at the facts. since ronald reagan the republican party has given its presidential nomination four times to the bush family. other times, to bob dole, john mccain and mitt romney, where's the extremist in that lot?
now, jeb bush's father is celebrated today for a statesman ship, that consisted of breaking his promise to the american people of not raising taxes. austan, in the budget deal it was said for every $2 of -- every dollar of tax increase, would be $2 of spending cuts. we go through this all the time. if only people were more like ronald reagan. that wonderful libertarian kruj mon monn onon barry goldwater. that fine fella bill buckley. i worked for bill buckley. knew ronald reagan. no one talked about him on the left that way at the time. >> what the conversation they had afterwards, i think there's a sense in rational, reasonable
people on both sides of the aisle, that there's not a place to have a conversation that you don't get thrown at. to go to a place in the middle where we can resolve that. what those focus groups said over and over, i don't know if i trust any of them. if they say one little thing, or bill client yn said something about barack obama and he has to back way off. anybody trying to get close to the middle, let's come together, on either side, left or right, they get bombarded. >> i want to get to that. the president made an argument building on that. basically, this election is about breaking the stalemate. we have seen the big ideas come out on both sides of the economy. this election is going to determine it. >> what's holding us back is a stalemate in washington. between two fundamentally different views of which direction america should take. this election is your chance to
break that stalemate. >> austan, i guess, i wonder if that's actually true? because, no matter who wins in november, you're going to have an incredibly closely divided congress with one or two votes, either way, it's not going to be a mandate for one side. >> i think you're right about that. i think the way this stalemate would be broken, ironically, i think, is, anything that strengthened the center relative to the extremes. now, we saw that if the extremes really get enough power they can scuttle any agreement. you saw it at great detriment to the economy and our general sense how washington is doing last summer in the debt ceiling negotiation. if what came out of this election was a narrow victory for one side or the other, maybe it's divided government, but
it's sort of strengthened the hand of the adults versus the people attacking the center. maybe you could break the stalemate and get a grand bargain for example. i think it's going to be hard. >> the only thing i have to say about the president, his message is right. i think he should start with a mea culpa. in 2008, he ran on this message. president bush ran on this and didn't do it. and made the country more polarized. one of the most decisive ways where he didn't meet republicans, he doesn't go to the capitol and meet with republicans. his message is right, but he has to practice what he preaches. i think if he stood up, i messed up, i didn't do what i said i was going to do. he's one of the first ones to blame on this. >> that's nonsensical. i mean, he reached out. he came to washington to be a compromiser. mitch mcconnell announced that they wanted to take him down
from the very beginning. my documents in my sense aren't in washington. the key fight is to take on the established consentment under austerity. many americans haven't shared in the growth or the possibilities of this country. so, the other factor is something that's more and more interesting. no radicals. remember, the scene on the republican debate stage? where the republicans were asked, would they be willing, was it 10 to 1 spending cuts, revenue? not a single -- >> they don't believe the spending cuts will occur. >> but the shared sense, again, i believe that millions of americans haven't shared in the sacrifices in this country. but there has to be some sharing and that will lead to the possibility of breaking the stalemate. with the inequality in this country, you can't have that.
>> let's apply the same nools an icon iic democratic leader, john kennedy, tax cutting, pro life, military interventionist, would he be nominate maryland the democratic party today? >> with all due respect, governor pawlenty, the democratic party, remains a coalition party in the classic america sense. you have congressional caucuses -- >> there's one person that can lead the change. congress is an indicator. always has been. they look around to see what happened and respond. there's only one position. there's only one person who can be the nation's visioncaster, who can be the person who leads and takes the hit to get things done. if you study history that's almost always the president. in barack obama, you had a person who's never had an executive position prior to becoming president. he promised this willingness to be bipartisan, he turned away for that. he turned into one of the most
partisan presidents in history. it doesn't make sense. >> i want to go to george will, given that it's 's likely going to be closely divided, isn't romney going to have to accept some of what's coming out of the election? >> he doesn't believe that we need more revenue. you look at the revenue increases, relative to the growth in the economy. it's not just the revenue aren't increasing. we can't keep all the stuff we have. mathematically, we can't keep everything we have it's unsusta unsustainable. >> our system was designed for stalemate much of the time. our founders understood that 90% of good governance included stopping things. woodrow wilson complained about the separation of powers. he was the first progressive president who complained about the structure of our constitution.
franklin roosevelt tried to pack the supreme court to break the logjam. as he understood it. the logjam isn't a defect, it's an american achievement to slow things down. >> the first time in my memory, correct me if i am wrong, the health care bill, the first time not a single republican signed on. franklin roosevelt and lyndon johnson were able to work with congress. they cut deals. they knew the power of compromise and strong principal. they advanced a vision for this country. with all due respect to tim pawlenty, the idea that barack obama sounds like an arsonist. is like romney saying, a vote for president obama would be unpatriotic. to me, that's language that this country doesn't need. >> i think the argument -- >> i think matt's right. we ought to come forward and
both sides, and the president should have a mea culpa. we have gotten into a place that was very different from where the campaign wanted to be in 2008. we got to back away from that. otherwise, we're not going to be able to confront this pretty serious challenge at a time when we could do it. if there's someone on the other side that's willing to meet the president there, i think they could get a deal. you saw a glimpse of that last year. if they're going to come at it like it's the eastern german judge at the olympics, president said that i'm going to do something historically republican, i don't think it can work. >> we're seeing the consequences of the stalemate pretty much across europe right now, but
particularly in greece, where they're voting today. it could be an election where the don sequences could be greece leaving the euro. how important, george, is this to our election and our economy here at home? >> i don't know how much the markets have already discounted failure in greece. but, look, the problem with the euro was predicted. it was founded in 1999 and milton friedman said it was dead in ten years. he was off a few years. the euro was designed to strengthen europe. you needed a real union. instead the european union today has a flag that no one salutes. an anthem that no one sings. a president that no one can name. it's fiction. they'll have limitation of self-government. but in exchange for that, you'll get prosperity.
>> it's interesting. when you're at the white house or at the campaign, you're paying more attention to athens than allentown, pennsylvania. i think a more fundamental question, that i don't think we have asked and it keeps happening over and over, how much longer are we going to prop up broken systems? how much longer are we going to keep propping up broken systems and not making them accountable? greece is a broken system. and the only question is, how much are we going to prop it up? wall street here in this country has been a broken system. we propped up the auto companies. we're propping up the political parties. >> but isn't there a lot of pain. >> yes, that's the truth politicians are unwilling to tell the american people. >> put aside greece, what we're seeing in spain, 15% youth unemployment. we're witnessing the verdict that austerity has failed. i disagree with george. i think if you can slow down the
fiscal consolidation and have that consolidation be built around a growth politics, not an austerity politics, that an idea of a united europe is a visionary one. the austerity will be what we live with in this country if we witness romney doubling down on the spending. >> austerity in spain consisted in spain, in 2010, 1% cut in spending. in 2011, 3%. a great democrat said there are no gains without pains. we have to say that in sacramento, we have to say that in springfield, illinois, because matt is absolutely right. an entire social model is crumbling in front of our eyes. >> we know how to hold countries in a monetary union. unfortunately, the answer is, going to take at hoff -- lot of big subsidies.
very expensive or it's going to be long, hot summer. i think the white house has to be quite concern about that. george, i know you got friends and family in greece. i think it's going to be a couple tough months. >> the guy named mario drogby, no one knows, the head of the european central bank, he can have a vast effect on our election. >> i think that's the president is most concerned about in this re-election. the unknown events that are likely to happen, whether it's greece or other things in europe are out of his control. they're most likely to be negative. over the next five months, the events are most likely to be negative and tilt this race to romney. >> it's dead-even race as you were pointing out before. the white house before this one, were feeling much better in the states. they're the first to admit they don't know what they don't know. your voice this week is coming right up. but first --
♪ i get knocked down but i get up again ♪ >> a trip into our video vault. three moments from this week in history. what year was it? >> the paparazzi chasing princess diana. >> the death of princess diana. hillary clinton turned 50 and we debated her future. >> run for president some day. i think she wouldn't want to go out fund-raising these days. >> and it was a year of transitions here at "this week." my first roundtable. >> abc news' newest political analyst george stephanopoulos >> and david brinkley's final broadcast. >> i quote shakespeare, who said, all's well that ends well. my time here, ends extremely well. thank you. >> was it 1997, 1998 or 1999? we'll be right back with the answer. ♪
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40 years ago today, the watergate break-in. i'm back here with george will and our roundtable. 40 years later, it's even worse than we thought. >> they had in this latest episode of their ongoing journalism about this, the story of the president of the united states urging repeatedly and explicitly a safe break-in at the brookings institute. to get some silly report out of the safe. the fact is, however, our much maligned system for all its creekiness in a sense worked. he got caught and removed. >> when you roll the credits at the end of the movie, what happened to the characters in the future? watergate got wrapped up in the commercial real estate bubble. bought by an private equity firm. went into foreclosure. and ron paul accused the fed of having orchestrated the
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so, what year was it? when did hillary clinton turn 50? and give david brinkley give his final "this week" homily? 15 years ago, 1997. you can see david brinkley's whole farewell on our website. at abcnews.com/thisweek. and in your voice this week, we got so many messages of support for robin roberts. like this from mary, keep us posted on robin. i'll be saying a prayer of healing for her. we got so many like that for
her. i know that robin is gaining strength from it and is inspired by this. and we all believe that she's going get through this and come back stronger than ever. that's all for us today. check out "world news" with david muir tonight. and thank you for sharing part of your father's day with us. i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america."